[Thu 21 Aug 2008 11:17:30 PM EDT] emilytucker : Welcome to the Mifos Community Meeting... we'll start at 2100 Pacific Time / 0400 UTC [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:06:52 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : hi folks, just testing chat. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:07:27 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : hi Keith [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:07:55 AM EDT] Keith : Hi, Adam and all [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:11:37 AM EDT] soham_nepal : same here.. i saw it before but not anymore [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:41:56 AM EDT] soham_nepal : (there is some disturbance here so i am typing) so in theory you could use the service layer with a completely different presentation layer, and still be able accomplish the functionality in mifos. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:43:24 AM EDT] soham_nepal : cool thanks [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:43:26 AM EDT] Van : soham, could you hear my answer? [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:43:33 AM EDT] Stephen GBA : Are you thinking at all about an RIA (Flash/AIR) front end at all for everyday tasks by loan admins? Simple screen, light weight actions, mimimal bandwidth needed once the front end is installed. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:46:09 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : To elaborate on Van's answer, we're definitely working hard to make alternate frontends possible, and much easier to implement than on Rhino (version 1.1). [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:46:49 AM EDT] Keith : The service layer will enable easier implementation of alternative front-ends. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:46:53 AM EDT] soham_nepal : yes i was also thinking along what stephen is saying [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:48:45 AM EDT] justin : Is the intent to run with a rich domain model (i.e. send the detached domain objects back into the view) or is the view going to work off a view specific representation of the domain model (DTOS etc)? [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:49:54 AM EDT] justin : (BTW - My vote is for a rich domain model) [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:50:50 AM EDT] Keith : The domain model will be rich, but the risk in exposing the domain model to the client tier is that business logic may creep back into that layer [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:51:06 AM EDT] justin : Agreed [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:54:28 AM EDT] emilytucker : whoops [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:54:41 AM EDT] emilytucker : yeah but my skype crashed [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:54:45 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : the dimdim conf call is still up [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:54:49 AM EDT] emilytucker : and i dont want to restart b/c ill lose everyone [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:54:57 AM EDT] soham_nepal : i can still hear you emily [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:00 AM EDT] emilytucker : yep-- i think it was just the conf call [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:04 AM EDT] Charlene : I'm still here [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:07 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : emily, you should call the dimdim conf call from a landline [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:13 AM EDT] justin : Still here. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:18 AM EDT] Sam Lee : still here [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:25 AM EDT] emilytucker : i'm hosting the skype call.... [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:26 AM EDT] Caron : Still here [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:29 AM EDT] emilytucker : that was just the GF conf call [Fri 22 Aug 2008 12:55:35 AM EDT] Stephen GBA : Stephen still here [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:07:47 AM EDT] Sam Lee : welcome twong! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:07:54 AM EDT] twong : Thank you! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:07:55 AM EDT] soham_nepal : i have a question [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:07:58 AM EDT] soham_nepal : sorry i was on mute [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:08:08 AM EDT] edcable : Hello Terry! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:08:16 AM EDT] twong : Hi Ed! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:08:24 AM EDT] Beth M : if you type the question I will make sure it gets answered Soham [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:08:55 AM EDT] soham_nepal : how easy will it be to add new modules.. perhaps van already answered.. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:09:08 AM EDT] soham_nepal : i mean application modules [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:13:40 AM EDT] Keith : Soham, the example you mentioned seemed to be in the realm of reporting and analysis. This is an area that we are looking at closely, but wasn't mentioned in Van's presentation. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:13:51 AM EDT] Sam Lee : is it a good time to ask some higher-level (less technical) questions? [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:18:04 AM EDT] Stephen GBA : Can you email this PPTX file to the Mifos-Developer listserv? [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:18:29 AM EDT] emilytucker : Great idea, Stephen-- yep, we'll do that (or at least send a link to the community) [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:19:44 AM EDT] twong : I came late...You mentioned the use of IoC containers as a way to minimize the effort to integrate large modules of function. What strategies do you expect to take to standardize the lifecycle of a module, and also to minimize the explosion of configuration that comes with reasonable substance in Spring or Spring-like implementations? [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:20:27 AM EDT] emilytucker : Sorry-- I dont think people can hear me.... my skype froze and I dont want to restart since I dialed everyone in... [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:21:30 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : emilytucker: yes, I cannot hear you [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:24:59 AM EDT] Sam Lee : I could attest that the spring config could become a monster itself, both for being understandable and for modularity. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:27:18 AM EDT] Keith : I'm back [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:29:32 AM EDT] Keith : We're also looking at SpringSource as t tool that can help manage the application at the enterprise level [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:32:07 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : Sam Lee, twong: I agree that Spring configuration can run out of control; this will be an important place to provide structure, review code often, and refactor as necessary. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:32:32 AM EDT] twong : Adam: I'd be glad to take a look and discuss! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:32:32 AM EDT] Stephen GBA : Very excellent - much appreciated! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:09 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : twong: right on. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:20 AM EDT] Justin : Thanks - bye everyone. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:21 AM EDT] twong : Thanks! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:23 AM EDT] soham_nepal : thanks everyone. bye [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:28 AM EDT] Sam Lee : thank you! [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:29 AM EDT] edcable : take care [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:30 AM EDT] Adam Monsen : thanks folks! See you on IRC, too. :) [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:37 AM EDT] andrew_hemp : thanks everyone, cheers. [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:33:45 AM EDT] Caron : Bye everyone [Fri 22 Aug 2008 01:37:33 AM EDT] Van : thanks and bye everyone!